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Thank you, Madam Chair.

I also want to thank the rapporteur for his work, which we have also discussed in our party.

The thing with comparing Spain and Turkey is very difficult for me because, as an observer, for me, it is clear that Spain is a much more democratic country than Turkey, at this stage, at least, can ever aspire to. But a problem of the understanding is that, we say, should the politicians be held accountable for their speeches or actions? Which politicians? It is always from the central or higher government looking onto the just politicians.

Should the leaders of the state be responsible for what they are saying? Often times, this is the focus that we do not see, that it is usually a repressive mechanism that is used. For example, in Turkey, it is not only problematic with the issue of the Kurds, that is another matter, it is problematic even to talk about the Armenian genocide and people can be punished for that, there could be people who can be jailed for that. And that is somehow the way a country is protecting their unity or certain societal fabric.

The Swiss example, I think, is one of the best ones in that case because that is the only way where the dialogues between different groups is happening. I think that the best way of actually guaranteeing certain societal cohesion is the dialogue. It is actually more inclusion. The more pressing we are on this issue, less likely that that part is going to remain with the country. Of course, if you are denying people their identity, it is likely that they are going to say it. If they are having a physical threat to their life for being what they are, if they were born like that, I mean, it is not like it is their choice, they are going to do something. But I really think that we should carefully measure when we talk about these issues and I think that the argument should be taken as more of an advice. I think that Spain should be really differentiated from Turkey on this matter for sure.